Ah the joys of Miehm... LEARN THE WORDS!

[Otagia]

Phantom Lord says:
Well.
Phantom Lord says:
You suck at terms.
Phantom Lord says:
The only ones we'll accept are Talaaxs offer, followed by a return to Status Quo Ante.
Phantom Lord says:
God I hate pussies...
Phantom Lord says:
This little bastard simply hides behind one spell and his stupid single stack of units.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
lol
Phantom Lord says:
It's pathetic.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
I do something similar
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
besides hiding behind a spell
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
just one unit
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
block of Demon Knights
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
800 or so
Phantom Lord says:
He uses Blacken Soul and Sylphs.
Phantom Lord says:
I'm gonna counter by attacking until he runs out of mp.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
heh
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
use single stacks of little stuff
Phantom Lord says:
Make a shitload of cheapass militia, and then kick his ass.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
heh
Phantom Lord says:
He'll just cut them down, but I'll whittle away at him.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
what do you use normally?
Phantom Lord says:
Dwarven Deathseekers and Wyverns.
Phantom Lord says:
The Deathseekers have Bursting as a special ability, but it apparently doesn't function when they're paralyzed.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
heh
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Wyverns are good
Phantom Lord says:
Hey, if it did he'd have gotten raped.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
should be good against Sylphs to be honest...
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
flying and all
Phantom Lord says:
They're paralyzed, so they get raped.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
could be his flying, actually
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
or do they have ranged attacks?
Phantom Lord says:
Ranged.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
that'd do it
Phantom Lord says:
Anything paralyzed gets raped.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
bursting doesn't work from a range
Phantom Lord says:
I know.
Phantom Lord says:
Have I got a surprise for him now...
Phantom Lord says:
What's the point of not commenting?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
no comment
Phantom Lord says:
You realize your actions ICly simply confirm our resolve not to give you what you want, right?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
no comment?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
anyway
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
going to get some soup now
Phantom Lord says:
Heh.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
here's Kyle
Phantom Lord says:
Ok.
Phantom Lord says:
How's it going Kyle?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
good enough
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
my computer is a pos
Phantom Lord says:
I wondered why you got offline.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
computer lab closed, required to use personal computer
Phantom Lord says:
Ah.
Phantom Lord says:
Tell him to reply to my post soon, por favor.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
he will
Phantom Lord says:
Ok.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
soon as he finishes eating
Phantom Lord says:
Heh.
Phantom Lord says:
We have revised his treaty into non-stupidity, and acceptable terms.
Phantom Lord says:
I'll have Talaax post revisions, and under those conditions, we will accept your terms.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
our terms are nonnegotiable
Phantom Lord says:
They had better be.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
well, at least until we get another Senate vote on them
Phantom Lord says:
Heh.
Phantom Lord says:
Better get the Senate right on that then.
Phantom Lord says:
Oh yeah, I figured out the solution.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
to?
Phantom Lord says:
That diot mage.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
ah
Phantom Lord says:
He must have a shitload of slyphs though...
Phantom Lord says:
Ah well.
Phantom Lord says:
Who is your mage on Blitz?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Otagia
Phantom Lord says:
I found him just a minute ago.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
this is him, btw
Phantom Lord says:
You would hand me my ass.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Kyle left
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
and yes
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
I could
Phantom Lord says:
Well, hold on, you rely on one stack?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
yes
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
piecemealing won't work
Phantom Lord says:
They';re melee, aren't they?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
I think
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
but undead, IIRC
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Kyle says they have a ranged
Phantom Lord says:
*smiles*
Phantom Lord says:
Ah.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
that and they steal life
Phantom Lord says:
If they do melee, they'll get pwned.
Phantom Lord says:
So.
Phantom Lord says:
Who was the alleged perpatrator of this war?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
I'll direct you to my previous comments
Phantom Lord says:
Weare in agreement that it was the supposed GFFA fleet, yes?(though that fleet had nothing to do wit the JAFGFFA)
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
*Hem*
Phantom Lord says:
If you're unwilling to compromise, you're siomply dooming yourself.
Phantom Lord says:
Rereading your terms, I am willingto accept them.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
...
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
really?
Phantom Lord says:
Yes.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
...ok
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
my original terms?
Phantom Lord says:
The second set you posted.
Phantom Lord says:
On the last [age.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
You do realise Article VII means that it effects not just the GFFA, but its component parts?
Phantom Lord says:
It affects all future and current members.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
you're a member
Phantom Lord says:
GFFAshipyards will be monitored, GFFA fleets will be below 500 per member, all that is cool.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
and that I'm using Rhunate and Otagian monitors
Phantom Lord says:
Ok.
Phantom Lord says:
Go for it.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
and I'm adding an article
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
defining GFFA
Phantom Lord says:
Uh uh.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
what, not a fan of that one?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
It needs to be defined
Phantom Lord says:
I said we accept the terms. There will be no changes made, or else you'll have to deal with OUR revisions.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
otherwise, it applies to everything and everything GFFA
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
including the dustmites that live on your worlds
Phantom Lord says:
It applies to the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
yes
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
which is, by definition, the nations of TSL, Talaax, CoreWorlds, etc
Phantom Lord says:
Not so.
Phantom Lord says:
The GFFA is the GFFA.
Phantom Lord says:
TSL and Talaax at the very least would nbot be covered.
Phantom Lord says:
But that's another story entirely.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
You realise then, that this doesn't stop the war, but merely takes most of your people out of it
Phantom Lord says:
It's a tangent that you cannot possibly be aware of ICly.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
we then continue, because you're violating our terms by Otagian law
Phantom Lord says:
It won't be by Otagian law.
Phantom Lord says:
This will be administered by the Republic.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
not bloody likely
Phantom Lord says:
Yes.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
we're the ones enforcing it, remember
Phantom Lord says:
We can't trust you.
Phantom Lord says:
Sop, we give you what you want, and you give us a trustworthy enforcer.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
but that's our treaty
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
says specifically that we're the ones enforcing it
Phantom Lord says:
Ok.
Phantom Lord says:
You enforce, they ADMINISTER.
Phantom Lord says:
They decide what a violation is.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
No, that would be us again I believe...
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Article III, IIRC
Phantom Lord says:
Nope, it is not covered at all.
Phantom Lord says:
Article III covers governments of the GFFA.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
and Article VII for that matter
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
stating that it applies to all GFFA member states
Phantom Lord says:
Ceasing hostilities?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
VIII?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
no, tis VII
Phantom Lord says:
Article VII: The ESUS will cease all hostilities with the GFFA, and vice versa.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
no, that's Draft 1
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
which has been denied already
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
and taken off the table
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Article VII: This treaty shall apply to all current and future members of the GFFA.

Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
that's the current Article VII
Phantom Lord says:
Ok.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
which backs up my stance
Phantom Lord says:
I read it as applying to all members, future and current. We are in agreement on this.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
that's what I said
Phantom Lord says:
Yeah.
Phantom Lord says:
So, all GFFA governments will be investigated.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
yes, all GFFA affiliated gov'ts
Phantom Lord says:
All GFFA governments. Those affiliated with the GFFA.
Phantom Lord says:
Yes?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Yes. That would be Talaax, CoreWorlds, etc
Phantom Lord says:
They aren't affiliated with the GFFA.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
...they are signors of the GFFA charter, yes?
Phantom Lord says:
There's a charter?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
One would assume
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
constitution?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Charter?
Phantom Lord says:
I never signed anything.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
What do you call it?
Phantom Lord says:
We have a constitution, ratified by all members.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Did you ratify it?
Phantom Lord says:
It was ratified by all members.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
did you ratify it?
Phantom Lord says:
See above.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Fine. So you ratified it.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Thus you are a signor of the constitution
Phantom Lord says:
I am.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Thus you are affiliated with the GFFA
Phantom Lord says:
Ido not have a GFFA affiliated government, asidefrom the President himself.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
The president IS the gov't
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
executive branch
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
anything he signs has the weight of the nation behind it
Phantom Lord says:
He is the only affiliation with the GFFA.
Phantom Lord says:
You can regulate him.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
So your fleet has nothing to do with the GFFA
Phantom Lord says:
My fleet is not affiliated with the GFFA, it bears no GFFA codes, nor carries GFFA colirs.
Phantom Lord says:
*colors
Phantom Lord says:
The fleet is an entity of TSL, and military command in TSL does not rest with the president.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Mhm
Phantom Lord says:
The military is a seperate portion of the government, with officials elected from within the service.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
So by your logic, the President has no control over his gov't
Phantom Lord says:
He controls the CIVILIAN government.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
OK, that works for me
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
feel free to sign
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
your interpretation is just fine
Phantom Lord says:
Actually, I do see one problem.
Phantom Lord says:
You need to specify "armed" in article 4, when referring to vessels.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
armed
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
carrying armaments
Phantom Lord says:
1km is a tiny Freighter.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
we didn't specify freighters, did we?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
We specified ALL space craft
Phantom Lord says:
It has no specification.
Phantom Lord says:
It requires one.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
armed means carrying armaments
Phantom Lord says:
Indeed.
Phantom Lord says:
And that qualification is nt there.
Phantom Lord says:
Article IV: The GFFA is allowed no vessels larger then one thousand meters, and no more massive then a one cubic kilometer mass of iron.
Phantom Lord says:
See? Armed isn't in that sentence anywhere.
Phantom Lord says:
It needs to be.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
but the two parts are unrelated
Phantom Lord says:
They are related.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
...no
Phantom Lord says:
Yes.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
No, you can have ships no larger than 1 klick, and only 500 of those can be armed
Phantom Lord says:
If the second portion specifies armed vessels, then it reasons that the first is also aarmed.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
...no
Phantom Lord says:
Yes.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
No, under standard legal principles, it specifies that out of all your 1km vessels, 500 can be armed
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
as many unarmed freighters as you wish
Phantom Lord says:
The first clause is subordinate to the second.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
no, the second is subordinate to teh first
Phantom Lord says:
Armed vessels are all you can reasonably hope to regulate.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
watch me
Phantom Lord says:
May I point out the many possible ways of LEGALLY sidestepping your injunction?
Phantom Lord says:
For example, that isn't a solari freighter. It says right here that the company owning it is based in the Sol System.
Phantom Lord says:
It's not a solari freighter, it's obviously an Amanii vessel.
Phantom Lord says:
It's documents are quite clear on that.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
That would be true
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
unless the corporation is owned by a Solari
Phantom Lord says:
Nope.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
in which case, it is under ownership by a Solari
Phantom Lord says:
It is owned by an Aumanii corporation.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
which is owned by a Solari citizen...
Phantom Lord says:
Immaterial.
Phantom Lord says:
The citizen does not own the vessel.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
feel free to go with your interpretation
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
sign the treaty and be done with
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
at this point I honestly do not care
Phantom Lord says:
It's amazing how much of a pain in the ass I can be, isn't it?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
oh yes
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
I begin to see where the others get thier opinions...
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
I still like you, mind you
Phantom Lord says:
eh.
Phantom Lord says:
*Heh
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
as I have a habit of doing the exact same thing occasionally
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
ALL HAIL THE HYPNOTOAD
Phantom Lord says:
Hypnotoad?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Hypnotoad
Phantom Lord says:
Ok.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
watching Futurama
Phantom Lord says:
*eats it*
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Cartoon Network
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
turn it on now
Phantom Lord says:
Too lazy...
Phantom Lord says:
And my mom would kill me.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
lol
Phantom Lord says:
The problem wit me is that I'm stubborn.
Phantom Lord says:
AND I'd cry bloody murder if you violated my interpretation of your document, which is just vage enough to get away with, especially when taken out of context.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
go for it
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
note that I have logged this conversation for posterities sake
Phantom Lord says:
Heh.
Phantom Lord says:
That only matters OOC.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
which is actually legal in this state!
Phantom Lord says:
But is it legal in this one?
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
well, something about agreeing with the fact that your civvie gov't is beholden..
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
Doesn't matter
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
this is the one its recorded in
Phantom Lord says:
It should.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
and yes, I have that one in writing
Phantom Lord says:
Wow.
Laughing Man:: Diclonius Wannabe says:
it's a law in missouri! I'm allowed to tape phone convos too!
Phantom Lord says:
Cool.

Someone feel free to edit this for clarity.

[Godular]

Someone feel free to edit this for clarity.

I don't think ANYBODY can edit that for clarity.

[Chronosia]

It burns my eyes....

[Megas]

Wow, I'm assuming that this was the convo you were engaged in with him right before I logged off?

If that's the case, he fed me nearly the exact same bullshit. Except I argued that the GFFA being a democracy delegated responsibilty for it's actions to all members. This can be argued further down the chain into the the respective members' governments, effectively defining the 'perpetrators' as the citizens of each and every GFFA nation. He made no attempt to counter this point...

[Chronosia]

Arguments be damned, lets burn every world to ashes!

[Chronosia]

Phantom Lord says:
Oh yeah, can you tell Otagia the diplothread needs to be put on hold? It's why I had ND call for a recess.
Anyway, toodles.
Marcus: I have taken all knowledge to be my province says:
Nah
Phantom Lord says:
YES!
MIEHM REQUESTS IT POLITELY!

[Godular]

ONOZ!

[The Mindset]

I can't be arsed reading through that. Can someone summarise?

[Central Facehuggeria]

I can't be arsed reading through that. Can someone summarise?

MM thinks our terms are too harsh, and will not agree to them.

This is good, because the prevailing vote is to continue the war. Besides, there will be no need for terms when his nation has been ground to dust underneath the jackboots of Facehuggerian... err, ESUS soldiers.

Remember, kids, it's like the Rape of Nanking... in space.

[Kanuckistan]

Remember, kids, it's like the Rape of Nanking... in space.

And don't forget; pillage, burn, and then rape - business before pleasure, and afterall, it's so much more romantic by firelight.