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It is established that the ESSCD may not be granted powers greater than local police forces.

Penguenia moves to have this changed to:

It is established that the ESSCD may not be granted powers greater than that of the local police forces in matters concerning trade enforcement, nor may be granted powers greater than local judicial bodies in matters concerning judgement and/or trial and sentencing.

Seems fair. What do you say?

Penguenia wrote:Penguenia moves to have this changed to:

It is established that the ESSCD may not be granted powers greater than that of the local police forces in matters concerning trade enforcement, nor may be granted powers greater than local judicial bodies in matters concerning judgement and/or trial and sentencing.

Neo-Mekanta concurs.

The Xanthalian government protests that this largely-unregulated international body will have any powers at all. Its mere existence is an expression of distrust in individual members' ability to enforce their own legal codes. The Socialist Republic objects to this amendment and reiterates its objection to the proposed constitution.

Eko Oeşe
Second Lanalphin of the Socialist Republic of Xanthal

Xanthal wrote:The Xanthalian government protests that this largely-unregulated international body will have any powers at all. Its mere existence is an expression of distrust in individual members' ability to enforce their own legal codes. The Socialist Republic objects to this amendment and reiterates its objection to the proposed constitution.

Eko Oeşe
Second Lanalphin of the Socialist Republic of Xanthal

The Dominion concurs with the representitive from Xanthal

Furthermore, we object to the proposed Penguenian revision, on both principal and on the grounds that such is not what has been voted on thusfar while at the same time representing a substantial change.

Penguenia wrote:

Overall, IMO you'd be better off trying to set up an organization to assist individual nations' law enforcement agencies in collaboration, coordination, and information sharing with their ESUS peers; something to help them do their job better...

Thats what the proposed organization is, from what I can see.

OOC:
No, it's an independent organization with no domestic oversight that answers only to the senate.

Kanuckistan wrote:Furthermore, we object to the proposed Penguenian revision, on both principal and on the grounds that such is not what has been voted on thusfar while at the same time representing a substantial change.

Your claims are obviously false. The revision is not a change; it is a clarification on what was originally implied. To say otherwise nothing more than an argument of semantics fueled by an unwarranted and absurd fear towards the enforcement of common trade law.

Kanuckistan wrote:

Penguenia wrote:

Overall, IMO you'd be better off trying to set up an organization to assist individual nations' law enforcement agencies in collaboration, coordination, and information sharing with their ESUS peers; something to help them do their job better...

Thats what the proposed organization is, from what I can see.

OOC:
No, it's an independent organization with no domestic oversight that answers only to the senate.

ooc: The Senate answers to the member nations. Further, I'd say that since the ESSCD is not established yet, that no rules precedents are set yet. Its up to us to establish the organization when its founding is approved.

Also, it'd be quite logical that ESSCD forces are made up of ESUS nation nationals native to the country they serve in. All I see the ESSCD doing is helping local law enforcement deal the agreed upon ESUS trade laws.

Kanuckistan wrote:The Dominion concurs with the representitive from Xanthal

Furthermore, we object to the proposed Penguenian revision, on both principal and on the grounds that such is not what has been voted on thusfar while at the same time representing a substantial change.

The proposed constitution has, in fact, already been amended at least twice since voting began. The Lanalphini contest that the continued editations of the original text make this vote unrepresentative of member opinions on the proposed constitution's current wording. This constitutes a gross mishandling of the matter by Court authorities and grounds for a formal rejection of any resulting vote herein obtained. This document should be finalized, then re-submitted for consideration by the Senate. The Socialist Republic will not acknowledge a new constitution approved through what its leaders perceive to be fraudulent means.

Tolmärĭn Härädä
ESUS Senator representing the Socialist Republic of Xanthal

It has passed. If you wish to amend it further, Xanthal etc., simply compose your own court case. This should also go for the Penguenian amendment.

The Xanthalian government stands by its position. The new constitution was not voted upon fairly, and in addition the final tally does not reflect that the measure gained the necessary eighty percent approval under the old Constitution. The Socialist Republic will no longer acknowledge Extra-Solar Union of Systems law pending an internal vote to recant its membership in the ESUS as it is apparent that the alliance's courts are wholly unable to carry out their assigned tasks.

Tolmärĭn Härädä
ESUS Senator representing the Socialist Republic of Xanthal