Thrashia wrote:We of the GE do not recognize their claims because they are not legitimate to our universe/rps. Meaning that its perfectly fine, as I said, for them to exist in alternate SWGs; but the one that has been around since practically the beginning, the one started by Sithy, is not where they have their claims; i.e. we do not recognize them. I've not asked Mindset to remove any systems and I've made no belligerent statements against people who have made claims within the map. I simply pointed out the inconsistencies in the continuance of the RP timeline, for lack of a better terminology.
If you know me, you know that, probably
more than anyone else in this game, that I deeply respect
consistent history. I have kept a meticulous record of my own RPs, and have often (very often... just ask Central Facehuggeria) put a bug in people's ears to pour out their history onto the ESUSWiki, no matter the form they do it in.
As well, since we first considered adding the SWG, I've been eager to have the GE on board, because no matter what our inter-alliance history, your alliance is one of the few in the game - save Yut - that could be considered a peer to our own in terms of size and influence. Which is why I'm confused at your gregariousness toward the map; what functionality does it lack that you need to express the history of the NS-SWG?
Thrashia wrote:Which is that there is no historical RP precedent for the nations I listed to exist within "our" SWG.
Historical RP precedent is well and fine, but it can be taken too far. If we demand everyone have RP precedent for territories they claim, it becomes impossible for people to join the game; it's a chicken and the egg problem.
Thrashia wrote:And, it should be noted for your education Rob that I have not made any claims on Mindset's map. I believe OG, ND, and a few others have because they have territory within the MWG. But, again, because I don't recognize this particular map as being true to the current geopolitical state of the SWG, I have refrained from planting flags and saying "mine."
Derscon, what are you smoking? This isn't good reasoning, unless you mean circular reasoning. Check it:
"I don't stake my current geopolitical claims on the NS-SWG map, because it doesn't reflect the current geopolitical state, because I don't stake my current geopolitical claims on the NS-SWG map..."
Try again. : /
Thrashia wrote:Arizona, I agree completely with you. There is no need to speak with the players themselves directly, because I recognize their claims as simply being another, different, SWG to begin with. Those however that choose to be part of our SWG I welcome. In point of fact, Red Talons has already approached me with asking about territory within the SWG; and I'm more than happy to compromise and RP with people that want to be part of it.
You're sending mixed signals here. You're giving this indication that you've withdrawn the SWG from the community to be your alliance's own private playground, which is both impossible and wrong. ICly it's impossible for a single player - or a single group - to police an entire galaxy; just look at IRON, who get barked down for trying to do it with just half of one. OOCly it's wrong and impossible, because like it or not, the continuity of your galaxy is entwined with our own. Kanuckistan has gates at Kyoto, and I myself went on an expedition to the NS-SWG and was chased off by Unified Sith himself. I escaped with a scion of a species (kaleesh) that has since grown numerous within my own territories; they do, however, remember their roots. This is to say nothing of the activities of myriad other players, not the least of which including Allanea and TFU. You say you respect history, and our two galaxies have a mutual history, whether you like it or not. This map is an attempt to express that relationship and make it easier for new players to join into the story.
I love what the GE (as an alliance) has done; more effectively than any other group on NationStates - including us! - , they have created a coherent collective geopolitical history and been
the face of the Star Wars universe on NS. You are perfectly right in asking new players to respect that history when settling in; where you are going wrong is refusing to accept their claims on the basis they do not immediately knock on your door first. Your philosophy here is tremendously short-sighted, and in the long term will lead to the stagnation and ruin of your alliance.
What I think the real shortcoming is, here, is one of functionality. The map doesn't do something for you, the GE, that you need it to do. What is it? Once Mindset gets some free time, I am sure his attention will turn back to the map, and adding features of it. How can it be improved to suit your needs?